What if the insurrection that Trump attempted on January 6, 2021 had actually succeeded? If his attempts to "find" extra votes had worked. If he had succeeded in continuing his presidency?

So - he has managed, by a combination of illegal manipulation and brute force to stop Biden from becoming president, and holding power himself.

What would America be like today / into the future?

Those who disagreed with what happened would have began their own protests... no doubt very quickly coming under fire (literally) from pro-Trump supporters, as well as no doubt brutality from the police / military who would have to follow Trump's orders.

Having taken power in such a manner, already breaking the law, he would never accept the end of his next 4 year term, so that would either result in a move to cease the "need" for another vote, or he would follow Putin's lead and just ban any other party from running. (Or whatever Putin does, cos we all know his elections only ever result in him being re-elected).

Rowe Vs Wade would doubtless be taken country-wide, with abortion banned nationally. Gun laws abandoned. Aid to foreign countries ceased. Barriers erected.

The rest of the (First/Developed/Democratic) world would - I suspect - ultimately take similar measures as we have seen with Russia, with attempts to use economic coercion to stop Trump. But, America is rich, and no doubt would easily find 3rd world countries to manipulate and continue without too much ill effect... at least, for a while...

Of course, exports would suffer because the 3rd world countries now forming part of Americas supply chain wouldn't have the ability to also consume as much product as the developed nations.

How long until Trump would be assassinated... in a country full of guns and 50% of the people incredibly pissed off...

 

The attempted coup came closer than anyone could have imagined at the time. Trump and his cop plotters had everything set up and more than one pathway to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. Their first path was to create and submit fake electors for Trump even after states had certified President Biden's win. Then VP Pence could declare he didn't know who won and send the election back to the states for Republican ligisloaors in red states could declare Trump the winner.

A second pathway was for Pence to declare he couldn't determine the winner and send the election down to the US House of Representatives. In that case each state would only get one vote instead of the number of Representatives from each state. And with 27 Red States Trump would have one.

It actually only came down to one man VP Pence who refused to go along with the coup.

But if it had succeed then we have a wealth of world history to know what happens next. Every time an authoritarian manages to steal an election then they become dictators for life. Which is what would have happened here. Trump would have declared martial law and he and the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans would have suspended elections and seized complete control. And the arrests trials and executions would have followed.

 

238 years since the Constitution was written... and Trump nearly tore asunder. And still now pushes America toward its second civil war... What an asshole. I just don't know what else to say about him. Such supreme arrogance. He's not even man enough to be a true dictator. I guarantee if he does gain power, it wont be long before some realises - You know what, Trump's an asshat, let's overthrow him.

 

Right now opinion surveys show Trump narrowly defeating Biden in 2024. If Trump is re elected he will spend his time punishing his enemies.

 

The answer isn't a simple one, too many variables. The courts heard and dismissed Trump's "Big Lie" about voter fraud. The Supreme court dismissed 18 Repuke state attorney general's attempt to overture the election results in key battleground states. Every state had certified Biden's electoral college victory. So Trump would've needed key state election officials, Federal judges and even Supreme court justices to all be in on Trump's "big lie"

Then there was the "Pence card" Trump also needed his Vice President, to be "all in" and refuse to accept Biden ballots for certification. And For Pence to then accept (Fake) Trump electors. Thus giving Trump the Presidency.

But again even if the fake elector scheme worked. Would it have stood up to scrutiny? Trump lost the popular vote in two elections. So I doubt the country would've simply accepted Trump's power grab.

We also then have to consider the military. It too would have to turn "political" and support Trump.

A little off topic. But still relevant to this conversation IMO

 

What if pigs could fly ?

What if the west (western Europe) had learned from 1936 - 39 ,
and not given Putin carte-blanche to invade Ukraine ?

So many what if's.

What if America had understood
von Braun's brilliance, and not scrapped the Saturn V rocket ?

What if Japan had not invaded (raped) Nanking ?

What if America hadn't invader Iraq on the false pretext of WOMD ?

What if America had believed and understood when China told them they wouldn't interfere in the Korean War
"as long as they didn't approach the Yula River" ?

Yep , what if

and

What if the whole world had realized the potential for Covid 19 to become a Pandemic , and acted sensibly ? ?

 

I agree, but this known as "counterfactual" history. But in all seriousness. Everything in history had possible alternate outcomes. And it does make for some interesting discussions. Books have even been written about the "what if's" of history.

 

I am fairly confident that if Trump's insurrection had succeeded it would become dangerous to criticize Trump.

 

But this isn't a what if. The repuke party knows full well how dangerous it is to criticize their Fuhrer. Even after Trump's shit show in 2020. Repukes still cower in fear of him.

 

I think it would have been a temporary occupation. Without the military, they couldn't make it stick. There's no telling how some of the blue state's might react, but generally, the states wouldn't go along with anarchy either. I believe the whole thing would fizzle, like the dog catching the bus.

 

This entire thread is based on an unproven assumption that there was an attempted coup.

 

And you guys fear Jack Smith!

 

Every the loyal trumptard.

I'll ask you again. Was the 2020 election stolen from Trump? One cannot logically discuss Jan 6th without answering that question.

 

First we need to remember Trump and his campaign knew they were going to lose the election according to their own internal polling as well as all the other polls. And as Steve Bannon and others came right out and said even before the election the plan was to just announce he had won and start the battle to remain in power.

And yes that would have gone to the courts but by then it might have been too late. Because another part of the plan was to create protests, violence and even riots. That would have given Trump the opportunity to do what he and many in his inner circle wanted most. Invoke the insurrection act and declare martial law. That is the tried and true most dictators take.

In fact Trump was already planning to invoke the insurrection act and declare martial law before the election which he would do as soon as it was clear he lost the election. And how do we know that? Because in so many words hundreds of former military officers were publicly warning against it. And then the Department of Defense came right out and publicly stated the military would not be used in conjunction of domestic politics.

That is an absolute key because we are all Americans and know ourselves the US military had never done and said anything like that in US history. And what they were really saying is if Trump tried to invoke the insurrection act, and declare martial law to try and stay in power the US military would consider that an illegal order and refuse to do it.

But then the wildcards come in. Obviously the people in charge of the DoD and military were going to choose our democracy and the Constitution over Trump. But if Trump still claimed the powers of the presidency he could fire all of them and replace them with his own loyalists.

And the most wild of all the cards. If the nation just exploded in protests violence and riots the military would have no choice but to step in and try to restore order. And in a total vacuum Trump would still be Commander in Chief.

Many experts that have looked at it and especially presidential historians were actually horrified to see how close to a successful coup we came. With what could have been a fatal flaw the vast majority of Americans thinking something like that could never happen here.

They absolutely knew Trump has lost a free election. Some joined the attempted coup but others just went along with the Big Lie. And then they absolutely knew Trump had incited an armed violent deadly insurrection to try and seize power. And they rightfully blamed and condemned Trump for that. And then Trump threatened to start his own party which would guarantee they could never win another election and they immediately reversed course and declared Trump the leader of the Republican party and jumped to his defense again.

And the reason was obvious. The mid term elections were coming up and the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans saw there chance to win the House and Senate in a red wave and believed they needed Trump to do that. But instead all kissing Trump's ass did was turn the red wave into a limp dick piss stream..

But even after all that the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans continue to be traitors and cower at the feet of the most mentally ill, stupid and ignorant, incompetent, corrupt, deadly, and treasonous man ever elected president. That is how much they hate the United States of America and every great thing it has ever stood for.

In reality saying anything about Trump is just useless at this point. Because its not really Trump that is the problem and danger. Trump could not even be a threat if it was not for an entire political party that would rather be traitors to the United States of America then stand up to Trump, condemn him, and be done with him once and for all. But instead the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans cower before him, protect him, lie for him, and cover up for him.

And I can actually show you the point where conservative/Republicans began to turn into treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who turned traitors against the Constitution and the country and instead pledged all their loyalty and allegiance to a wannabe dictator.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...on-gives-him-unlimited-power-president-2019-7

Right there as soon as Trump said that all true Americans who do love their country, our Constitution, and our democracy needed to stand up to Trump impeach him and remove him from office. But instead treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans cowered before their Chosen One Traitor Trump and went along with it.

And the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans continue to choose Traitor Trump over country which we see every day on this forum.

 

You can't reason with a man that calls you a treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republican just because of your vote.

 

It seems to be the way to win an argument in this forum. Despicables/Deplorables.....Trumptards.... Nancy Antoinette.... on and on. very little decorum in here. I can't help it and join in too. This is just a small, and non-violent, showing of our divisive politics. No longer respecting the views, attack the opponent.

 

the country would be in much better shape. america is falling under biden and everyone knows it, except maybe stumbler and anon-de-plume

 

You do realize this thread deals with Trump's attempt to overthrow a free and fair election. It's frightening how many citizens of this country. Are still supporting a former president who couldn't accept the free will of the people.

Shows just how fragile our democracy truly is.